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Charlie Prime's avatar

Instead of arguing over minutia like water pollution, terra-watts, noise, and NIMBY, people should be discussing how the "A.I. Boom" is a Financial Con Job similar to the TARP Banker Bailouts of 2008 explicitly designed to loot Pension Funds and Taxpayers.

See: https://theblackswanfiles.substack.com/p/the-coming-asteroids-disrupting-data

M.J. Smoot's avatar

100% agree 👍🏻

Texas Patriot's avatar

I have never heard a more apples to oranges comparison in my life. Just wait until they want to build a hyperscale data center in your neighborhood. You will change your mind.

Mike's avatar

"There Are Computing Alternatives – So America Can Lead in A.I. Without Data Centers

"There are growing computing alternatives – which enable A.I. at massive scale, to run 100 to a thousand times faster than the biggest data center, at 1/10th the price, using no additional energy.

"This is the fatal alternative.

"We cover much of this at DataCenterMadnesss.com"

https://datacentermadness.com/asteroids-coming-to-destroy-data-center-madness/

"The narrative you have been sold by the politicos and by the data center builders is America faces a choice – data center devastation to thwart China from dominating the planet.

"Your farm, ranch or neighborhood must sacrifice lifestyle and beauty for the good of your country. Be a patriot.

"What kills that argument is alternatives.

"And, the market always delivers one, several or thousands of alternatives when it hits the demand/supply constraint."

"When you can run an application 100 to 1,000 times faster than that A.I. data center, you need 1/1,000th the hardware – and you can do all your computing where the data resides – not centralized.

"So watch as innovation starts to choke these centralized data centers."

Nathan's avatar

Boooooooooo 😢

Sara Legvold's avatar

And speaking of electricity issues, my power went out twice in the last week or so and our bill is higher than it needs to be. They need to fix OUR issues before they add on these mega usage facilities to the grid. And please stop calling them infrastructure. That is smoke and mirrors. We don't know wth they are going to offer us in the long term because no one has clearly defined their purpose and I again keep going back to those secretive NDAs, These centers just remind me of the Flock fetish our cities and PDs have to surveil us all. If you can't fully trust your government, why in the world are so many willing to trust these secretive energy guzzling data centers? And let's not even begin to discuss our water issues in Texas.

Sara Legvold's avatar

I am of 2 minds on this data center debate. On the one hand they sound like they are needed for a purpose. What the full disclosure of that purpose is keeps getting hidden from us or they would not require NDAs from most cities. Second they are pushing them so fast it makes one's head spin. Next, but in my view, very important are the hazards and damages they may cause the environment, insects, plant life, animals and humans since there is no long term data to research or study to make an informed decision on whether we want then popping up all around us or not. Without quality of life, what else can there be but to live getting exposed to more shit than we already have been exposed to by our government. Lastly , I am a BIG Trump supporter but unless he spills the beans on these data centers, I just can't support them like some have.